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sometimes it feels like XML has been used just because it was fashionable.

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Some strengths:

  • You can validate XML data against XSD
  • You can easily provide contracts (as XSD) to other parties that should either create/consume XML data, without literally describing them
  • You can have one to many relations in multi-levels in XML data representation
  • XML is arguably more readable than CSV
  • XML is natively supported by the .net framework

To name a few from the top of my head.

OTHER TIPS

.csv files are good when your data is strictly tabular and you know its structure. As soon as you start having relationships between different levels of your data, xml tends to work better because relationships can be made obvious (even without schemas) just by nesting.

XML has become the default for its many benefits that lots of other people have already mentioned. So the question really becomes "When and Why is CSV preferable to XML?".

I feel CSV is preferable to XML when: - you are loading simple tabular data - you are in control of both the generation and consumption of the data file - the dataset is large

CSV is perfectly usable if the first 2 points are true, and has a performance benefit that becomes more significant the larger the dataset is.

I did a quick test loading ~8000 records each with 6 text fields. Loading and parsing the XML took ~8 seconds. Loading the CSV took less than 1 second.

The overhead of XML is worth it in a lot of cases, but when the stars align, CSV makes more sense.

CSV is useful when you just have a series of a values that relate to some piece of information and you know you will always store values for each field.

XML has the benefit of having self-describing data (tags) and having hierarchy - which gives you a lot more flexibility in the way that you store the data.

You can have a much more complex hierarchy, etc. and structure with XML vs. CSV. It offers a lot more flexibility.

I found an interesting performance test on the net. God example of drawbacks of XML when the features of XML is not needed.

"I tried Steven's experiment from a different angle. I filled an Excel XP spreadsheet with a single-digit number, saved it in both XML and in a comma-delimited text file (CSV). I then compressed both with WinZip and then opened both with Excel. Here's what I found:

The XML file was 840MB, the CSV 34MB -- a 2,500% difference Compressed, the XML file was 2.5MB, the CSV 0.00015MB (150KB) -- a 1,670% difference.

Equally dramatic is the time it took to uncompress and render the files as an Excel spreadsheet: It took about 20 minutes with the XML file; the CSV took 1 minute -- a 2,000% difference."

http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/12/15/deviant.html

Of course it is fashionable and buzz-worthy sometimes. It all depends on your application. I prefer config files in XML because they are easy to parse. Whereas, I use CSV files for DataGridView or database dumps.

This Daily WTF : XML vs CSV The Choice is Obvious will help you make your decision ;)

XML is preferrable over CSV when the data is unstructured (unknown schema) and will be read by a human.

Arguably, unless the data contains predominantly text, CSV is also meant for human consumption.

Also relevant, is if your data is 2 or 3 dimensional. CSV is most suitable for 2 dimensional text, and due to its' verbosity, XML works well with 3 dimensional data.

The whole "standardness" of XML is hyperbole, and should not be taken literally. XML does have huge technical issues and many of the solutions aren't particularly elegant, or in many cases useful:

  1. It uses text to specify its own text-encoding (chicken and egg?)
  2. None of the more common schema languages for XML work particularly well.
  3. The ancient and commonplace way of creating mark-up languages using <tags> is not particularly helpful as a standard.
  4. XML tries to retroactively shoehorn more powerful mark-up languages such as the SGML based ones, into itself, creating a mess of incompatible legacy.
  5. It still remains to be determined whether or not XML text escape sequences can work for anything but the most simple cases (ie. friendly data).

To be clear, XML is probably the incorrect choice for 90% of the data interchange it is currently being used for, since those uses break some or all of the above assumptions.

In addition to the other answers, XML allows you to specify which character set the document is in.

I have found of the greatest advantages of XML to be the parsing functionality and the strict validation that comes out-of-the-box with most XML libraries. The insistence on well-formedness and easy-to-understand error message (xyz not closed in line x, column y) are a real help compared to hunting broken values, or unknown behaviour, because of an error in the CSV file.

CSV is more lightweight if you want to move things about since its normally 2 more times smaller than XML

XML is standard and won't be hit by different OS'es version of CSV

I don't have enough reputation to comment on the relevant answer, but someone suggested compressing the XML as a way to gain size parity with csv formats. While this is true, XML compression can somtimes come back to bite you. If you are transferring XML data from point to point and it fails, it's nice to be able to read the XML and figure out what went wrong. If the XML is compressed and the transfer fails, it's sometimes not possible to decompress it and examine the contents. In other words compressing XML cancels out the human-readability advantage it has.

I would say use XML (and or JSON) because someday you or someone (with a short temper and a large gun collection) may have to go find an error in the CSV data.

So yes, I'm saying readability, don't forget to think of the other guy! He may be thinking about you.

XML provides a way of tagging your data with metadata (provided by the tag names and attribute names), whereas CSV does not. Couple this with the ability to define structured hierarchies and it makes XML easier to understand when provided with just the data, whereas CSV would require an accompanying tool or document to describe how each value is interpreted.

You can easily traverse through XML data even when you have complex data.

Check these links:

And again one more for XML: The X in XML stands for Extensible (I know, not really mnemonic :-P). That means, with the help of the XML namespace mechanism, you can join any two XML languages you like and combine them in the same document. Given that there is only one CSV 'language' (not counting the myriads of delimiter styles), XML can handle quite a lot of complexity, and that in a modular way.

This however, is the advantage of CSV: If you really have tabular data, XML syntax is most often overkill.

I've also found that some cvs generators/parsers have a lot of difficulty with general text data. Long text strings with a lot of carriage returns and commas and quotations, etc etc, just make life really difficult when it comes to manipulating a cvs.

SSMS likes to truncate csv for fun.

Structured, human readable, easier to edit, validation, parsability, transformability, typing, namespaces, powerful libraries behind it, are all amongst many of the reasons.

Above all else though it is standard.

  1. There are existing parsers and emitters for it in every language and database
  2. They deal with encoding for me
  3. They deal with escaping for me

That's all that matters to me.

Sure, there's a semi-standard way to do escaping in CSV (i.e., "the way Excel does it"), and it's not exactly hard to write yourself, but it does take some time. And then you've got to implicitly agree on a character encoding out-of-band. But then, because it's so simple, people try to write it themselves, and invariably screw up either #2 or #3.

JSON also meets #2 and #3 and is getting close to satisfying #1. It's also arguably simpler, at least for non-document files. Not surprisingly, I find myself using it more and more, internally and externally.

And I also prefer it because it's much more readable.

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